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Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 20:57:00 - [1] This isn't about the one specific Militia, its about all of us as people who love Factional Warfare. CCP gave us a feature that they said would effect the state of the game. They lied. We barely get IC Coverage anymore, the Factional Warfare Correspondents barely cover anything. I know they are volunteers but if they are too busy with their "life" then we need more of them to fill that hole. Plexing and Bunker Busting doesn't do anything beyond faction standing grinding. We are always posting in this forum suggestions and ideas about what can make Factional Warfare better but do we get any notice from CCP? No, they're too busy with their precious Null Security Space. Well here's some new for you CCP, we have thousands of players engaging in High Security and Low Security Play and we need some attention from you. So CCP you have two options, straighten up, listen to us and improve this Game Feature that you've half-assed or Get rid of it. I'm not a public speaker type people, please post your thoughts too.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:28:00 - [2] My point is that FW is a broken game mechanic, no one can deny that. There's issues with it. We had to twist so many arms just get them to fix little lag issues with fleets in low security. Its just going to keep getting worse.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Zach Donnell Don't get rid of it! I believe CCP wanted it to be a way to push people towards 0.0, well I don't want to go to 0.0 I want to stay here. There is a lot of fun to be had in FW, even in its current state, if you know how to find it. But I think a change to the whole occupancy/plex system would really liven things up. Not just so that its "fair" for the gallente (lol - gallente plexers), but a more tangible reward for this occupancy will, at least I think, lead to better fights for plex's. and a revived pvp atmosphere. I used to like this game because of the dev interaction, but Shun, I agree with you, whether it is the fact that they have made no statements on cloaked plexing, or they refuse to acknowledge the problems in FW, its like they just don't give a ****. Yeah this is pretty much my feelings.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:54:00 - [4] I challenge CCP here and now to make an official statement about their plans for FW.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:04:00 - [5] 1. There's no Dev interaction with Factional Warfare 2. No reward system like the Devs stated they would make (They did say they would make one down the road when they started this project) 3. Plexing while giving a sense of accomplishment does not effect the state of Factional Warfare like it should. 4. We're effectively in the Game Feature Waste Basket. 5. There are still loop holes in the Factional Warfare system, whether plexes (cloaked plexing) or the others constantly mentioned on these boards. 6. Did I mention there's no Dev interaction?
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Bad Messenger FW is not broken. It is Gallente morale that is broken. They fight back at the beginning in Ladistier, vifrevaert, some parts of verge vendor, in oms were big figts for plexes. But gallente just finally lost so much in those fight that they have no more guts to come in plexes. Personally i can say that i have had many good fights in fw and most of them in fw plexes. Today was the first day in fw history when there was moment when there was no gallente plex to capture. All were taken. You blaim different things and ask this and that, but it is all about gallente people who just does not want to do anything. Stop whining about fw and go to do something else. You do not need fw for camping tama nourv gate, it has always been camped by pirates. Damn it BM this isn't about Caldari or Gallente. I said that from the start. I'm saying we've been abandoned, the Devs don't care about us anymore. If you don't have anything else to add to this thread but trolling against Gallente then get out. If you post again with another off-topic troll, I'll report you.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:36:00 - [7] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 20/05/2009 22:32:38 Shun, for not being a public speaker kinda guy, you are doing very well. (I especially like your points to bring up to CCP). Now just remove that "or get rid of it" part, and I'll back you up 100%. I'm not saying this because I think that my opinion really matters in the grand scheme of things, but if you are looking for support, I see that one line as the biggest, most divisive stumbling block. Fix'd How you like it now?
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:49 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:24 Originally by: Bad Messenger Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better. Other issues are minor issues. The Devs have forgotten us. The lag hasn't gotten much better, there's no call on SiSi to study it further, I don't see GMs or ISD near our battles when they happen, and there's always forewarning, just pay attention to the militia channels. But this isn't just about what they've recently said. They said from the beginning they were going to keep working on Factional Warfare, they were going to make it awesome and they were really excited about it and they were going to keep adding in new and exiting things for us, their player base. Well it seems like CCP was the kid who got the new toy and threw it away when he got bored with it.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:00:00 - [9] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 23:03:02 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs It ain't broke, your just bored, move on. Its a sandbox.. no one forces you to do your thing. You want to see gallente space all blue/green (not sure which is which). I want to see CCP hosted killboard stats. FW is great for both these things. Leave it alone, its fine!!!!!! Evil what the hell did I just say in my original post? This isn't about a single faction, ffs man, FW could be so much more then this, FW could use some simple patches and it could be better. I'm not asking for a complete overhaul here. I'm just asking for the Devs to pay attention to this project that they've seemly left behind. This has nothing to do with my own goals or my Corp's goals.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Shun Makoto Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:49 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:24 Originally by: Bad Messenger Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better. Other issues are minor issues. The Devs have forgotten us. The lag hasn't gotten much better, there's no call on SiSi to study it further, I don't see GMs or ISD near our battles when they happen, and there's always forewarning, just pay attention to the militia channels. But this isn't just about what they've recently said. They said from the beginning they were going to keep working on Factional Warfare, they were going to make it awesome and they were really excited about it and they were going to keep adding in new and exiting things for us, their player base. Well it seems like CCP was the kid who got the new toy and threw it away when he got bored with it. Has there been really so important battles that those should go to news ? I see it that every day a IC report should be released, Factional Warfare should be a Storyline driving feature and it isn't. I mean if you've forgotten we're fighting a War! That's pretty damn important. When I turn on the TV some of the first stories the News stations report is "Enemies in Such and Such place were taken down by Such and Such Army, more news at eleven" This game has a rich storyline which should not be forgotten, we participate and shape it.

Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 23:12:19 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs You want to see gallente space all blue/green (not sure which is which). Bolded Italicized and Underlined since you can't obviously can't remember what you typed @BM: I'm talking about the little news excepts that are on the main page everyday. I want a small paragraph telling me what happened, not graphs and charts. (p.s. I'm leaving campus, so you all don't chase this thread to hell, [though it might already be there], I'll be back later)
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 16:40:00 - [12] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 16:44:43 I'm agreeing with Gabriel Darkefyre a lot on his points. And he has good ones. The WarDec mechanic for FW is something that I too feel must be changed. Being in a fleet and of the Militia and having them not able to help you beyond repping you is just not right in my eyes. Originally by: Neacail Originally by: Meridius Dex Pirate corps themselves who are currently enjoying the exploit by which they can attack a soldier from an allied force and kill him right in front of his fellow soldiers, while they are unable to do absolutely anything about it. I assume this happens in low sec. So why are they "unable to do absolutely anything about it"? Certainly, they could just attack said 'pirates'. But they run a risk, if they attack the pirates they recieve a global criminal countdown and are now open to attack by gate guns. With the amount of Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers that fly in fleets on all sides this is just not an option. --- Once again I must stress that this is not about a single faction, this is about everyone as players and how I feel we've been slighted by CCP.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 16:56:00 - [13] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 16:57:22 Originally by: Bad Messenger Hey if i am attacking pirate i am not getting globals, wtf are you talking guys? Well technically you're talking about attacking a person with an "Outlaw" Status or a Global Criminal Countdown. We're talking about people committing the act of Piracy Someone can be a Pirate but not have a Permanent Global Flag
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 17:16:00 - [14] When you're you have WarDec'd fleetmates the first thing you usually hear is "I'm scrammed!" Not much baiting you can do at that point.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:13:00 - [15] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:15:00 We're saying that when a Corporation WarDecs on Militia Corporation they WarDec all of the Militia, not just a little section of it. It makes no logical sense that they can freely attack part of the militia and not get attacked by the entire militia. There should be extra risk involved when WarDecing the Militia just like there is when you WarDec a Corporation that is part of an Alliance. Neacail: I will not have any form of trolling in this thread. You've been warned.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:31:00 - [16] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:35:25 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:31:58 Forgive if I'm wrong but a Corporation that joins the Militias joins the State Protectorate, the Federal Defense Union, 24th Imperial Crusade, or Tribal Liberation Force because these are the Corporations charged by their Governments to run the War? Are those Corporations not unlike an overlying Executor Corporation? And if those Corps that join the Militia are indeed Sub Corporations of the Caldari State, Gallente Federation, Amarr Empire, or Minmatar Republic then would not WarDecing us cause those who do so open to attacks by Navy and Customs Ships? Originally by: Neacail Originally by: Shun Makoto Neacail: I will not have any form of trolling in this thread. You've been warned. You seem to think I care. Good then you won't mind that you've already been reported for trolling in a thread.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:37:00 - [17] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:37:48 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:37:16 So we are to fight for our State, Empire whatever and they leave us in the dust when we come under attack from outside forces? That I see as ridiculous. (I am of course speaking of when we are in High Security space.)
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:40:00 - [18] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:42:00 I personally do live in Low Security space fyi, but this isn't about me, this is about the playerbase and Factional Warfare, what needs to change, what needs to stay the same and letting CCP know that we won't be the forgotten project of EVE. Because no matter how much you want to deny it we have been the forgotten project of EVE, if you can't acknowledge that I don't know where you've been sticking your head for the past couple of months.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Shun Makoto Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:37:48 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:37:16 So we are to fight for our State, Empire whatever and they leave us in the dust when we come under attack from outside forces? That I see as ridiculous. (I am of course speaking of when we are in High Security space.) Factions have problems to fight against each others, that is why they are asking their citizens to help. They have no resources to protect you as corporation. If you need protection you should join npc militia corporation, there they have those things in order. I get your point, really I do. Don't misunderstand that, I just don't agree with how the wardec situation was setup. This is my personal opinion though. Back to the Issue at hand. CCP Did they Abandon Factional Warfare? Your Thoughts and Comments! (And Show your support)
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:47:00 - [20] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:47:48 Then please go ahead and state what you feel needs to be changed. (if you did already and I missed it then feel free to slap me with a large trout (kudos to all who know that one)) Yes I did say did say no Trolling, Draco...behave... (even though I know its impossible)

Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 18:54:00 - [21] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 21/05/2009 18:54:05 Originally by: Neacail As people state, there should be more incentives for actually holding systems, but there have been hundreds of suggestions for that. Agreed Originally by: Neacial It's up to CCP, not us, to decide what, when and if something will be done about it. Not-Agreed. I believe it's us to make sure CCP remembers that we are still here and that theres a huge amount of players that love FW and we want love too! (All the love is going to 0.0 ) [p.s. Leaving campus for a bit, bbl]
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.21 21:33:00 - [22] Recent things I can name From CCP To 0.0: The Torpedo Stealth Bombers The Addition of Covert Ops Ability to T3 (They can use Cov Ops Jump Bridges)
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.01 02:48:00 - [23] So how long is it going to take them to fix the map now that another thing from FW broke.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.03 01:18:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Ytterbium I hope you don't mind the interruption, spotted odd noises filtering through the door so I couldn't help but enter. Even if we have been quite silent on this, we haven't abandoned Factional Warfare as we are aware of the issues mentioned in this thread and others. For having discussions about it lately, we do have plans on improving it and it is in our to-do list. Of course you will understand that we cannot give any specific detail at the time being since we cannot promise anything at this point, but keep hope, do not lose faith for there is light at the end of the tunnel. We thank you very much for posting.

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